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bamm bamm bamm · Jan 05, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Imagine they put suttle messages into the messages of NPCs around the game, making bold statements against illegal-wars or animal rights, poverty or global warming.

They already do this, and there's nothing wrong with it. Nightfall is littered with them. You can't write a story (or indeed make a game) without some kind of resistance from an opposing mechanism. That's politics. But you have to criticize the action/philosophy/ideal rather than the real-life person. Having a character that represented Bush in all but name would not be well received, and in my view, childish. The writers can't be subtle and bold at the same time, so just let them continue being subtle.

Kaane · Jan 05, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I never suggested the situations going on in this world are funny. Im thinking calm down. I was suggesting an intelligent, light hearted debate. Not to pick fun at those less fortunate. I suggested these protests to allow Anet the chance to enlighten the younger amoung us to the issues going on in the world. As education. Not fun picking.

I dont appreciate you suggesting I was.

But hey, if people are incapable of simply talking and debating issues such as these without loosing their rag, then please can someone close this thread which I only just made.

It seems Anth has proven his own point by already going over the top about this.

I apologise for trying to inject some intelligent conversation into the website.

LOL

From the examples you gave, I'm pretty sure you consider "intelligent debate" to mean "supporting anything I agree with."

This is a game. It is meant to escape from the real world. If you're so insecure in your political views that you think Anet should be organizing things like this, you should probably rethink your own politics (because I know you'd be the first to get all indignant if it wasn't something you supported).

I'll just borrow from Gen[M]ay here:

S**t thread, lock and ban.

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

"Politics," whether you like it or not, can be found anywhere and it's not just in Guild Wars. Politics is what drives the conflicts...

To Say Politics is a "No go" is like saying Bye Bye To Guild Wars.

To Elaborate more, This is a Guild vs. Guild, Country Vs. Country kind of Deal.... You have the Kurzicks vs. Luxons, Istan Vs. Kourna (With the addition trying to "Politically" convenince the Vabbi to Assist).

In other words, with conflict comes Politically moves.... You can deny, whine, and cry about how games should not have politics. But the GOOD games always have a conflict between 2,3,4 w/e (Country,Faction, w/e)....

Politics = Conflict = Wars = Guild Wars

P.S. Read up on History You'll see how FUN our past is....

dpcash · Jan 05, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by BSSuperman

You have something against gays Antheus? It saddens me that you cite same sex marriages in the same list as Ku Klux Klan and Anti Semitic. The godfather of my child is gay and Im certainly not worried about it.

This is exactly why politics must be kept out of Guild Wars! People will have different viewpoints, standards, values and choices.

My real-life opinions should not matter in a fantasy game, and should stay out of the game.

Besides if you (OP) were around in the sixties and seventies you wouldn't wish for seventies styled protests.

Dougal Kronik · Jan 05, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Express2022

"Politics," whether you like it or not, can be found anywhere and it's not just in Guild Wars. Politics is what drives the conflicts...

To Say Politics is a "No go" is like saying Bye Bye To Guild Wars.

To Elaborate more, This is a Guild vs. Guild, Country Vs. Country kind of Deal.... You have the Kurzicks vs. Luxons, Istan Vs. Kourna (With the addition trying to "Politically" convenince the Vabbi to Assist).

In other words, with conflict comes Politically moves.... You can deny, whine, and cry about how games should not have politics. But the GOOD games always have a conflict between 2,3,4 w/e (Country,Faction, w/e)....

Politics = Conflict = Wars = Guild Wars

P.S. Read up on History You'll see how FUN our past is....

Go back and read the OP again. Then think about and read it a second time.

The OP was indicating real world politics include in "subtle" yet "bold" messages in game. Not the fictional Luxon/Kurzick conflict, Ascalon/Kryta mutual mistrust, or the Kournan/Elonan war.

Enko · Jan 05, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I never suggested the situations going on in this world are funny. Im thinking calm down. I was suggesting an intelligent, light hearted debate. Not to pick fun at those less fortunate. I suggested these protests to allow Anet the chance to enlighten the younger amoung us to the issues going on in the world. As education. Not fun picking.

I dont appreciate you suggesting I was.

But hey, if people are incapable of simply talking and debating issues such as these without loosing their rag, then please can someone close this thread which I only just made.

It seems Anth has proven his own point by already going over the top about this.

I apologise for trying to inject some intelligent conversation into the website.

hmm intelligent, light hearted debates meant to enlighten the youth except the examples you use in your original post are:

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Imagine an anti-bush or anti-blaire compain in LA with pickets or a sit in.

Imagine they put suttle messages into the messages of NPCs around the game, making bold statements against illegal-wars or animal rights, poverty or global warming.

Imagine an old 70s style hippy standing in the center of LA, asking us all to go to a collector to get a picket sign, and to then sit around him while he makes a statement. With LA guards around us in a circle, ready incase we get violent.

With periodic riots kicking off and you have to kill the guards before they can get to the hippy. If you win, we keeps chanting. If he looses, you have to wait for him to return, which he only does if you all sit at a certain spot for 30 minutes.

Then he casually stroles over, lights a role of <insert none taboo name> and puffs away and starts making his statement. If you sit and listen the whole time, you get a role of <insert none taboo name> which makes you trip and counts towards the drunk title.

And the reason to add this to Guild Wars would be what? If people choose not to look into issues that they care about themselves, then that's their prerogative. If they want to keep their heads in the sand about issues in the world, there's not much that other people can do . ..

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

If you're talking about the whining in Random Arena, TOB.... Then get over it. That's there opinions and if you don't like it Use the IGNORE list

Deleet · Jan 05, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

GW is already political, it's kinda red/socialistic

. We don't like grinding or unfair advantages :P

capitalist · Jan 05, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Imagine an anti-bush or anti-blaire compain in LA with pickets or a sit in.

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Imagine that some GW players aren't liberals...

Kaane · Jan 05, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by capitalist

Imagine that some GW players aren't liberals...

Shhhh, I don't think he knows that.

sixdartbart · Jan 05, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by capitalist

Imagine that some GW players aren't liberals...

problem is that loons generally think everyone else shares their loony views

I've got 100k on the guards since I'll be helping them subdue the hippie uprising

Dauntless · Jan 05, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by capitalist

Imagine that some GW players aren't liberals...

Agreed
This sounds less like a discussion and more like the OP wanted to tell everyone that he disagrees with Bush and wants a way to do so in game as well.

This is a useless thread.

Age · Jan 05, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

I would prefer that Politics stay out of them game as we don't need it not as we don't already here it enough in chat.I certianly do and i would perfer not do.There is a place for it on this board and that is where it should be but in game I would like stay away.I really don't see though what bringing it into game would do or achieve.

SuFFeRiNG · Jan 05, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

I was protesting the other day in agury rock against the dude who nerfed the necros(damn i cant farm any more).

If i wanted to protest against blair id watch "V For Vendetta" and try to blow up parliament.

Buy a Michael Moore dvd dont get that shit in GW.

Yours truly Me

SalamandraTheNinja · Jan 05, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I don't think it would be a particularly good idea to get real-world politics in place in guild wars. Unless people agreed on everything (which would make the entire thing pointless, by the way), it would just lead to pointless conflict and complaints. And it wouldn't even have a purpose really. If you feel like annoying everyone and actually doing a pointless protest, waste your time and do it outside an office or in a city centre or something, where someone might give a damn.

And don't be one of the idiots who says "OMG! Politics is everywhere! You can't escape from politics! It affects everything you do!". Of course it does. Everyone knows that. That's not what pretty much anyone means when they say "politics".

Whiplashr · Jan 06, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by capitalist

Imagine that some GW players aren't liberals...

Thank God, I'm not alone.

quickmonty · Jan 06, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33

I play GW in part to get away from the political crap that bombards us on a daily basis. I usually have local chat turned off so I don't have to deal with the biased opinions of others in game. This is my "escape" and if RL political bullshit starts turning up in game ..... I'm outa here.

Deleet · Jan 06, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I play GW in part to get away from the political crap that bombards us on a daily basis. I usually have local chat turned off so I don't have to deal with the biased opinions of others in game. This is my "escape" and if RL political bullshit starts turning up in game ..... I'm outa here.

It's already there, as mentioned in above examples. Like Stone Summit dwarves being xenophobic, there are numerous other examples of situations who happen often in real life.

quickmonty · Jan 06, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Deleet

It's already there, as mentioned in above examples. Like Stone Summit dwarves being xenophobic, there are numerous other examples of situations who happen often in real life.

I'm sorry, but it's not the same to me. Xenophobic dwarves are just not the same as Dems bashing Rep and vice versa, and the media just spewing it all out 24 hours a day. How many dwarves have been accused of unethical behavior and forced to leave office? Where is there controversy over gay marriage in GW? And, so far, I have seen no mention of stem cell research in GW. GW is fantasy. Let's keep it that way please.

arcanemacabre · Jan 06, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I'm sorry, but it's not the same to me. Xenophobic dwarves are just not the same as Dems bashing Rep and vice versa, and the media just spewing it all out 24 hours a day. How many dwarves have been accused of unethical behavior and forced to leave office? Where is there controversy over gay marriage in GW? And, so far, I have seen no mention of stem cell research in GW. GW is fantasy. Let's keep it that way please.

Ha! Mursaat. 'nuff said

OK, maybe not enough said? Well, "stem cell research" is an example of a questionable and controversial moral issue. In-game we have the Mursaat, best known for their controversial handling of keeping Titans locked away by slaughtering innocents.